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[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

Departments: East-Asian Languages and Cultures

Professors: William De Bary, Robert Hymes, Eugenia Lean, Feng Li, Annabella Pitkin, Morris Rossabi, and Conrad Schirokauer

May 02, 2012

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

This is a wonderful class!
As many of the previous posts indicated, there is A LOT of information to learn in this course. Although it is advisable to keep up with the reading, there will definitely be weeks when you're like "f**k this ish" (shout out to my pre-med crew). BUT you should make up for this by attending class and reading your classmates posts before you go to class discussion to at least know what is going on that week. Also, take good notes, it'll save you in the long run!!
Good luck :D

Workload:

2 papers (first is 5-6 pgs, second is 7-8 pgs)
1 midterm and 1 final

March 20, 2012

Pitkin, Annabella
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

Awesome professor and pretty awesome class. Professor Pitkin is very interested in what her students have to say and is super knowledgable about Chinese civilization. Her slides provide a nice visual addition to the course. You really learn a lot from her class about Confucius and Buddhism.
The course is reading heavy but the trick is knowing what to skim. The midterm, essay, and final were all graded very fairly. This is the class to take if you are looking for an introductory East Asian course.

Workload:

Lots of reading but she never tests you on the details, midterm and final have review sheets given by her, the final also has review sessions, overall a very doable course

January 03, 2011

Pitkin, Annabella
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

Professor Pitkin is definitely knowledgeable and passionate about Chinese civilization and this course was a satisfactory introduction class but not a life-changing experience. The course chronologically covers over 3,000 years of civilization in 3 months, but no worries: the final is not cumulative.

The lectures tend to get boring and the readings cover all that the professor is explaining. In fact, professor Pitkin has so much knowledge or interest in one specific topic (like Buddhism) that she tends to focus on that one thing for over thirty minutes... until it gets pretty irrelevant to the rest of the lecture. But if you get lazy to do all of the reading assignments, you better attend lecture.

Weekly discussion sections are mandatory and you have to write a two paragraph response on the readings (the questions are posted every week on Courseworks). The primary source and field trip assignment papers seemed pretty daunting, since the professor gave no clear instruction or clues of what she wanted us to do. But the TAs (or at least mine, Myra Sun) was really approachable and helpful during office hours and graded fairly.

Workload:

- One primary source paper, one field trip assignment paper (3~5 pages)
- One midterm, one non-cumulative final: ID questions, short/long essay questions (professor sends the list of terms for ID questions and examples of essay questions)
- Lots of reading, but comparable to most Global Core or EALAC courses
- Weekly mandatory discussion section and postings (= participation grade)

May 12, 2010

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

As some of the other reviews have mentioned, this course suffers from intrinsic flaws such as the amount of history covered in one semester. The information is vast, but keeping good notes will save you as the tests cover only what was spoken about in class. That said, readings are important to prep for lectures, particularly to become familiar with the Chinese names of people and places so you arent ten words behind trying to figure out what he said.

Watch out for the midterm...minimal information is given as to what to focus on specifically. The TA's become helpful here in sorting out which dates to remember and which primary sources to read thoroughly. The final is very similar to the midterm, but both are heavily weighted on the essays, so be prepared to write three single spaced pages about the big topics.

Professor Li is a great professor- of the best Ive had at Columbia. Very knowledgeable and approachable and truly cares about the material and the students. Definitely sit up front if you want to hear everything he says as his volume does fluctuate and almost drops out at points.

Can get an A by putting in just a bit of extra effort; can get away with not doing all the reading provided you have good notes. I knew nothing about China going in and have acquired a serious amount of knowledge, which feels nice compared with how you walk away from some other classes.

Workload:

Two essays, midterm, final.
Grading: They will catch laziness on essays.

May 10, 2010

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

I agree with some of the past reviews about Prof. Li being a well-organized and dedicated lecturer. He moves quickly, his accent is a little heavy at times, and he undulates the volume of his voice throughout his lecture, at times speaking very inaudibly, so sometimes he is hard to follow, but he has a sense of humor and is very approachable and eager about helping his students understand the history of China. However, I also agree with past reviews that the class agenda is exceedingly ambitious, and, to me, impractical. Though Prof. Li puts a lot into his lectures, he cannot sum up each dynasty and all the social, political, and economic events within it in 2 1-hour classes each week. It is too much to try to cover 4000 years in 14 weeks (but I must admit that Prof. Li makes an outstanding effort). Also, the grading is a little unbalanced, and to me, unfair. The bulk of your grade (65%) depends on the midterm and the final, which themselves place the bulk of the grade in one area, so be sure you pay attention to everything said in class and read the readings thoroughly. Although the majority of the information won't be on the exams, the part that is will expect in-depth knowledge of that content.

Workload:

Lots of long, boring readings (though occasionally there are some interesting ones) from primary and secondary sources, weekly discussion posts, 2 papers (5 pages and 8 pages), a midterm, a final

August 10, 2007

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

Professor Li is one of the most dedicated teachers and organized teachers I've ever seen. He puts a LOT into his lectures, which are interspersed with maps and images, and personally reads and comments on students' weekly posts (mind you: this is a large lecture class). Very responsive to e-mails and research questions.

The class itself, however, suffers from some existential flaws: covering all of Chinese history in one semester is a mammoth undertaking. You'll cover a dynasty a week and barely scratch the surface.

Take the professor, but think hard before taking the class.

Workload:

Two papers (first: 3-5 page analysis of a primary source; second: 7-9 page research paper), reasonable midterm and final. Weekly discussion section and weekly post. Huge volumes of primary source reading assigned, mostly on Chinese thought and mostly abstract, unnecessary, and untested.

June 05, 2007

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

Prof. Li was my favorite teacher last semester - he is an amazing lecturer and fair grader. I can't believe how much history I've learnt over the past few months. He clearly structures each class to make everything clear and comprehensible. It can get overwhelming at times but we have discussion sections to sort out any problems. Hands down best lecturer ever.

Workload:

A lot of weekly reading but not really necessary, weekly discussion posts, 2 papers, midterm, exam

November 08, 2004

Rossabi, Morris
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Great Class. Two hours a week. One thing to know. Let Professor Rossabi talk and talk and talk. As he talks, you must take dilligent notes. He does not use notes or a guide, and instead comes into class knowing exactly what he wants to say over the next two hours. there are weekly readings which are completely unnecessary should one take careful notes. the key to this class is regurgitating facts and names that he divulged in class back into your exams, the more you remember the higher your grade. also, he is nice, reachable via email, and thoroughly brilliants. he speaks just about any language youcan think of, and knows more about Mongolia than anyone born outside of Mongolia. expect a few weeks off here and there because he often travels to Asia duringthe semester. also, the take home final will free up your study-load during reading week :)

Workload:

Midterm (answer in class 2 out of 4 essays)
Final (take home 2 out of 4, 3-4 pages each)
10 page paper for undergrads on any topic of interest. will assign it for before thanksgiving, but he is very flexible with the deadline. (I handed mine in during reading week)

April 18, 2004

Lean, Eugenia
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Prof Lean is usually well-organized: she posts her lecture outline online before each class, and displays it on the projector as well. Her lectures usually reflect the ideas of the main textbook reading, a little of the supplemental texts, and occasional outside sources, with special emphasis on themes she will probably ask about on the midterm and final, and occasional outside material. While not especially unique in her views, she does a good job in conveying the information.

What makes the course truly worth taking, however, are the required readings. Lean chooses the course's texts with an intelligent and discriminating eye: the readings are always enlightening, varied, and interesting. The load is heavy, but worth the time. I can say with all honesty that I feel I have a good understanding of Chinese culture because of it.

In terrms of the workload... Each of the two papers has questions similar to those posed for discussion sections. Since the prof limits your sources to the required (and discussed, sometimes even during lecture) readings, it is not too difficult. The midterm and finals covered the 'big' themes covered in class, which Lean herself warns, so it's relatively easy to predict what will be asked.

I would definitely recommend this class.

Workload:

Two five-page papers, a midterm and final. Discussion section required.

February 03, 2004

Schirokauer, Conrad Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Extremely nice, knowledgeable, if a bit forgetful old man. He may not know when class is held or how many kids he has, but he definitely knows East Asian history. The class is run as a seminar, a bit disorganized at times, but an overall very interesting experience. There's a lot of reading per class, but it's not necessary to do it all--just read the Brief History. It's probably more important to remember how to spell his name correctly for your quizzes/papers, so you don't incur any point deduction.

Workload:

Weekly bulletin board postings. 5 quizzes (not easy) that cover random material--but it's the imagination you put into the answers that count. For the mega-random quizzes, you obviously can't study everything, but there's always a question or two on the most recent readings. 8-10 page term paper on any topic. Questions to the final are given out ahead of time.

January 25, 2004

Lean, Eugenia
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Trust me, this class is a joke. The lectures are very unorganized and boring. You will feel like you are in your HS history class so literally you get bored all the time. It is just a waste of time. The reading assignment, honestly, is way too much for an Intro class. (Plus, it never reflects the lectures.) Also you will have trouble understanding her English since her accent is pretty damn heavy.

Workload:

Two papers, midterm and final. The papers are graded very harshly. The topics are vague. You never know why you get a good/bad grade because either the lecturer or the TA is unable to explain anything. Midterm and final are jokes, which dont test your understanding at all. But oh well, it is such a BS class.

December 15, 2003

Lean, Eugenia
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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This class just isn't great. While it's admittedly difficult to cram 500 years of Chinese history into one semester, the class should have run more smoothly than it did. Her lecturing style (even her pronounciation) was condescending, even for a columbia prof. The paper assignments, midterms and finals were confusingly vague, yet still graded rather harshly. I am an ealac major, and this class frustrated and bored me more than any other. To be fair, it got better as the term went along.
However, its just not worth it. There's a lot more out there, don't waste your time.

Workload:

2 5-pagers (inconsistent grading, unclear requirements), midterm, final. Reading wasn't bad.

December 11, 2003

Lean, Eugenia
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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The reviewers who claimed that Prof. Lean's course is a waste of time are pretentious. The class provides a clear and organized overview of Chinese History, and the 5-10 min review she does in the beginning of each class makes the material very understandable and makes studying much easier. In a class of 100, when she would ask admittedly basic questions merely to make sure that the material from the day before was clear, students would roll their eyes and mutter that the review was unecessary, yet, by not answering her questions they were merely prolonging the wait for new material! Prof. Lean is nice, approachable, funny, and very knowledgable about Chinese History. The TA discussions were a total waste of time, but I liked the textbook and the lectures. A teacher should not be condemned because she makes the material easy to grasp; she should be praised.

Workload:

Two essays that seem easy but are graded relatively hard, a midterm that was entirely fair, and a final.

November 20, 2003

Lean, Eugenia
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Prof. Lean is certainly very knowledgeable about the subject matter of the class and expects a lot from her students. If you are looking for an easy major cultures class that you can breeze through, this isn't it. Weekly discussion sections necessitates that you do at least some of the reading, and papers and exams though not very difficult, are also not easy.

Workload:

lots of reading, some of which is important to do.
Midterm was fair. Essays are harder than your average major cultures class.

November 18, 2003

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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HE's GREAT! Very organized lectures and when he teaches you can tell that he is VERY passionate about the subject and teaching. He's very approachable and he's great with emails. If you go to class and the review sections, I cannot forsee you doing poorly in his class. An A range grade is definitely attainable. He's GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Workload:

Miderm, Final, 2 Papers

June 01, 2003

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Professor Li is a diligent, caring professor who puts exorbitant effort into lecturing his classes and aiding students in understanding the material. This class is an introductory class in Chinese history and civilization, so the workload, although fair and manageable, was appropriate. Professor Li prepares every lecture with painstaking effort, trying desperately and often successfully to overcome the language barrier that encumbers so many non-native professors. But aside from the somewhat thick accent, Professor Li makes his lectures generally very enjoyable and understandable, and any confusion will be cleared up if you ask him a question after class or e-mail him. He is very prompt about responding to students' questions and concerns. Generally, this class was very enjoyable and hopefully sparked some interest in East Asian studies in some students, although many are just taking it for the MC requirement. Kudos to Professor Li; any accolades he receives he has earned.

Workload:

Two papers, one before and one after the midterm. Their topics are exceedingly flexible, although the grading is not so lax, since the TAs grade them in general. A midterm and final that require attending class and no more, since the assigned readings, although overwhelming, are not necessary in light of the midterm and final. People should, however, skim the readings for personal interest in the subject, for the texts are very well written, and Professor Li makes a genuine effort to post interesting articles and links on his webpage.

April 23, 2003

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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What a great teacher! Prof. Li is a very enthusiastic professor who cares a lot about both his students and the subject. You can totally feel his excitement when he lectures, especially when it's about ancient Chinese archaeology. Email him one question and he'll return a 3-page detailed reply along with URLs, book names, and other information in case you want to find out more about the matter on your own. He speaks English with an accent, which may take a lecture or two to get used to, but generally it's not a problem. In fact, if you know the context (i.e. you don't sleep in class), a few missed words here and there are not a problem at all. I highly recommend Prof. Li for any class. (A sidenote that's not related to the professor but to the class: there's usually a large number of freshmen who are there just for the MC requirement and care nothing about the material, such as the other "reviewer" who recommends the course because it's easy. their inane chatting during class and recitations and do-only-as-much-as-needed-for-the-A attitude can be extremely annoying. Notice there's no comma between "freshmen who" above; I don't mean all freshmen are like that, nor only freshmen can be like that. But most of the annoying people are freshmen. If you're one of them, please consider improving your attitude towards your education. What a waste it is to come here and make a numeric average your goal in life.)

Workload:

A fair amount of reading, not all of which has to be memorized. Read the books once, go to the lectures, write down the key points, and you should do fine in exams by reviewing your notes. Papers, as always, are only as hard as you want them to be. As implied by the review above, there're a lot of people in the class who have no problem with writing nothing but b.s.

December 15, 2002

Hymes, Robert
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Prof. Hymes is definately a knowledgeable professor who knows his stuff extremely well. His lectures are to the point, sometimes peppered with amusing remarks, but overall the same, which can get monotonous. However, he gives way too much reading each week, and though you soon learn to do the bare minimum (or just not do it at all), you find out for the midterm and the final that you'll need to read at least something. Discussion sessions are required and lacking, though it depends on your TA and the other students. Overall a pretty good class that can get dry.

Workload:

2 4-page papers, midterm, final, discussion session posting each week

May 19, 2002

Hymes, Robert
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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I took this class to fulfill the first half of my major cultures requirement. It's overall mediocre. Prof. Hymes is a really nice guy who definitely knows his stuff, but when it comes down to it...this class is filled with alot of dry history. There's sooooo much reading. If you dont do the reading, discussion sections and lecture can be confusing and boring. The reading, most of it, is pretty relevant on the exams. Be prepared for alot of work.

Workload:

2 papers, final, midterm

May 08, 2002

Li, Feng Silver_nugget
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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This is a great class to take for your MC requirement. Very little work (readings not strictly necessary, but assigned in case you're interested) but he still goes through the material enough that you can learn it. The discussion section was ultra-boring, but if you go to every one and post to the board weekly (any old crap your brain vomits is fine) it boosts your grade, because most people are too lazy.

Workload:

Readings (whatever), two easy papers of 4-5 pages, pretty easy midterm&final. Standards are really not too high in terms of having to learn a lot of facts or come up with trenchant analyses.

January 06, 2002

Hymes, Robert
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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This teacher has received rave reviews, but for some reason, I really didn't enjoy his class. I found his lectures for the most part boring and spent most of the time spacing out in class. This class is not particularly hard, just boring, which can make it hard to do as well as you want. I do that Hymes is a great person though. He really cares about his students.

Workload:

Two 4 page papers, midterm, final, participation in recitation.

December 06, 2001

Hymes, Robert
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Professor Hymes is brilliant and enthusiastic; he's so genial and unassuming that it's easy to forget how much he knows and how much work he puts into preparing his lectures and his extensive and very helpful web materials. There are two drawbacks to this class: one, the reading load is murderous, and two, there is an incredible amount of information to learn, much of it dry history. With some creativity and skimming, you can get away with reading considerably less than he asks, but don't take this class if you're not willing to stomach almost six thousand years of "and then Emperor X took over the north, and then this tribe took over the north, and then this river shifted, and then these people revolted..." My discussion section was largely a waste of time, but you really don't need the TAs' help. Professor Hymes is incredibly accessible and will often write a long, informative, interesting, detailed response to a student's e-mailed question and then send it to everyone in the class.

Workload:

Two lightly graded 4-5 page papers, midterm, final, and weekly discussion section with paragraph responses on weekly questions due the day before. Almost unbelievably large reading load, however. ("Read the Confucian Analects for Thursday.")

November 07, 2001

Hymes, Robert
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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Professor Hymes is an excellent professor. He organizes his lectures so that you can follow them easily without boredom. He has a way of conveying large amounts of information effortlessly. He is tremendously helpful with any question, often giving back 4 or 5 paragraphs in response to any questions you ask him. Highly reccomended.

Workload:

Reading is a bit much, but the class and the web are the important things to know. Midterm, final, two short (4 page) papers.

July 07, 2001

Hymes, Robert
[ASCE V2359] Introduction to East Asian Civilization: China

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This is a great class. The professor is extremely friendly, the TAs are all very encouraging...Although there's A LOT of reading and the amount of information in the lectures can overwhelm you sometimes, it's a good way to get a general overview of Chinese history and culture. Also, Professor Hymes puts a lot of work into the class website, with pictures, readings, paintings, etc, so they can really help you to gain a further understanding of the topics discussed in class. If you have any questions about anything, Hymes will always respond in a kind manner. He's just really great!!

Workload:

2 short papers, weekly discussions, 1 midterm, 1 final. If you happen to be struggling, you should go and see Hymes or your TA and they will help you extensively.

Directory Data

Dept/Subj Directory Course Professor Year Semester Time Section
ASMB / ASCE ASMB ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro-East Asian Civlztn-China 2012 Fall TR / 10:10-11:25 AM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Feng Li 2012 Spring MW / 11:00-12:15 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Wendy Swartz 2011 Spring TR / 11:00-12:15 PM 1
ASMB / ASCE ASMB ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro-East Asian Civlztn-China Annabella Pitkin 2010 Fall TR / 10:35-11:50 AM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Feng Li 2010 Spring MW / 11:00-12:15 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Feng Li 2009 Spring MW / 11:00-12:15 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Wendy Swartz 2009 Fall TR / 11:00-12:15 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Liu Lu 2008 Fall MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
ASMB / ASCE ASMB ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro-East Asian Civlztn-China Wiebke Denecke 2007 Fall MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Feng Li 2007 Spring MW / 9:10-10:25 AM 1
ASMB / ASCE ASMB ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro-East Asian Civlztn-China Wiebke Denecke 2006 Fall MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro East Asia: China 2005 Spring / 1
ASMB / ASCE ASMB ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro East Asia: China Feng Li 2004 Spring MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
ASMB / ASCE ASMB ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro East Asia: China Andrew Schonebaum 2004 Fall MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China: Intro East Asia: China Andrew Schonebaum 2004 Fall MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Robert Hymes 2002 Fall TR / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1
EALC / ASCE EALC ASCE V2359: Intro to East Asian CIV: China Robert Hymes 2001 Spring MW / 2:40- 3:55 PM 1